From: Dbpc2000@aol.com [mailto:Dbpc2000@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:08 PM
To: Secretary Brunner
Subject: We the People DEMAND that you uphold our Costitution and protect our rights!
Dear Secretary of State :
It is unthinkable that someone can be elected to the Presidency of the US when so many questions have remained unanswered.
Why has Barack Obama not been required to prove that he is a natural born citizen ? All the information out there presents that he is not a natural born citizen. We want his long form BC, his College records, his Oath of Allegiance, and all other information that proves he is a natural born citizen as he claims to be.
Certainly, his failure to provide this documentation to the courts, but instead to hire attorneys to avoid doing so should present a big red flag to everyone. He can very easily provide this information, put a stop to these accusations, and in the process bring the American people together to unite under his leadership. It would make political and practical sense for him to comply and put millions of American's fears of a Constitutional Crises at rest. YET, he refuses to do this.
We put you on notice, to protect us from this disaster. You should not certify the electoral votes until and unless these documentation's are presented and proved to be authentic.
It is a shame that we the people cannot have this matter resolved. It should have been resolved months ago. It wasn't because no one has demanded that he complies. Why would he not comply ? The only possible answer is that he has something to hide.
I would like a response to this letter as to why no one has standing to demand these documents from a court of law and why any Secretary of State in this Country would certify the votes of a candidate that has not proven his eligibility.
Sincerely,
D C
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Good morning,
Thank you for emailing our office. However, please be advised that two separate lawsuits were filed in Ohio asserting identical issues to the issues raised in your email regarding the qualifications of Barack Obama to run for president. Neal v. Brunner, Wayne Common Pleas case# 08CV72726; Greenberg v. Brunner, Wood Common Pleas case# 08CV 1024.
Both lawsuits were dismissed because under Ohio law there is no mechanism for a person to challenge the qualifications of a presidential nominee certified to the Ohio ballot by a political party pursuant to R.C. 3505.10(B). Moreover, the courts indicated that the Secretary of State has no duty to investigate unsubstantiated information from the internet. Similar lawsuits have been summarily rejected in other states as well.
Sincerely,
Sally E. Warren
Administrative Liaison
Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner
180 E. Broad Street - 16th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
614-995-1697
Fax: 614-485-7062
swarren@sos.state.oh.us
Monday, November 24, 2008
Friday, November 14, 2008
Texas education official says her Obama comments were misconstrued | Top Stories | Star-Telegram.com
Texas education official says her Obama comments were misconstrued | Top Stories | Star-Telegram.com
By SHIRLEY JINKINS
syjinkins@star-telegram.com
Cynthia Dunbar’s phone hasn’t stopped ringing since the presidential election, but the questions being asked of the State Board of Education representative have nothing to do with textbooks or curriculum.
Dunbar, of Richmond in Fort Bend County, posted a column titled "Freedoms Will Be At Risk Under President Obama," on the Christian Worldview Network Web site two days before the election.
The column questioned whether Obama is a U.S. citizen as well as whether his presidency might bring on a terrorist attack "by those with whom Obama truly sympathizes" and suspension of rights under martial law. It has since been pulled from the site.
Read more.
Transcript of comments by Texas Board of Education member Cynthia Dunbar posted Nov. 2 at www.christianworldviewnetwork.com. Dunbar represents District 10. Her comments have since been pulled from the site.
“Can we truly even imagine an America under an Obama Administration? I sincerely believe that an Obama Administration would ultimately mean one thing... the end of America as we know her. First, I cannot understand how we can potentially elect a man who most likely has violated the Constitution in his very attempt to serve as Commander in Chief. ‘No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,’ U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1.
If Obama were a natural born citizen who never lost his citizenship through his adoption while living in Indonesia, Then why does he obstinately refuse to present valid documentation? The fact that a Federal Court judge did nothing should not surprise any of us. After all, we know all too well the attack this great Country undergoes on a daily basis from our own militant leftist Judicial Branch. Can you imagine how much worse this will get with Obama Appointees?
There is one glimmer of hope in all of this. There is a difference between a voidable contract and one that is simply void. A voidable contract is able to be ratified whereas a void contract is void at it s inception and cannot be cured at any point. If in fact Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be president, this is not something he can ever cure. His election, his swearing in and oath of office, his service of three days, three months, three years does not ever truly convey to him the authority of President of the United States. It is void at its inception and, as such, is open to a valid legal attack at any time.
So we can imagine the blatant disregard for our Constitution, but what other threats does an Obama administration pose? We have been clearly warned by his running mate, Joe Biden, that America will suffer some form of attack within the first 6 months of Obama’s administration. However, unlike Joe, I do not believe this ‘attack’ will be a test of Obama’s mettle. Rather, I perceive it will be a planned effort by those with whom Obama truly sympathizes to take down the America that is threat to tyranny. What nobody seems to be discussing is the fact that if such an attack takes place, what about Martial Law? What happens to expand executive power when a state of civil disorder is declared?
Supreme Court Justice Holmes in the unanimous decision of Moyer v. Peabody, stated the following:
‘...[I]t is familiar that what is due process of law depends on circumstances. It varies with the subject matter and the necessities of the situation... In such a situation we must assume that he had the right under ... constitution and laws to call our troops ... That means that he shall make the ordinary use of the soldiers to that end; that he may kill persons who resist and; of course, that he may use the milder measure of seizing the bodies of those whom he considers to stand in the way of restoring peace. Such arrests are not necessarily for punishment, but are by way of precaution to prevent the exercise of hostile power. So long as such arrests are made in good faith and in the honest belief that they are needed in order to head the insurrection off, the [Executive] is the final judge and cannot be subjected to an action after he is out of office on the ground for his belief... when it comes to a decision by the head of the State upon a matter involving its life, the ordinary rights of individuals must yield to what he deems the necessities of the moment. Public danger warrants the substitution of executive process for judicial process.’
Granted, this is not the same position that was taken by the Court in ex parte Milligan (71 US 2[1866]). That court resoundingly said, ‘Martial law... destroys every guarantee of the Constitution.’ Reminding Americans of similar actions that had been taken by the King of Great Britain, which in turn were part of the basis of the Revolution, the courts stated, ‘Civil liberty and this kind of martial law cannot endure together; the antagonism is irreconcilable; and, in the conflict, one or the other must perish.’
Factually, such militaristic rule is to be established by the Legislative Branch. ‘The Congress shall have Power to . . . provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel invasions;’ U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8. However, the Constitution further states that the President ‘... shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.’ Article II, Section 3. Should the Senate and the House be under Democratic control and Obama comes to them advising of a threat to our Nation, is there any doubt that Obama will have his way? Additionally, since we’ve clearly seen that Obama appears to have no respect for the Constitution itself, why should we expect that if elected, all of a sudden he will try to comply with its restraints?
I fear for our great nation and her potential demise should we as Americans elect Sen. Obama. I shall take no joy in saying ‘I told you so’ if Obama gets elected. But just for the record, remember, ‘I told you so.’”
Thursday, November 13, 2008
Update From Orly: Re: letter to the Governors, electors et all 11/12/08 11;32 pm
Update From Orly: Re: letter to the Governors, electors et all 11/12/08 11;32 pm
The whole point of the current constitutional crisis is in the fact that nobody checked the eligibility of the candidates. Please see Donofrio v Wells. This case is the second case in front of the Supreme court. Just like with any other state in the union, Nina Wells, Secretary of State of NJ completely abandoned her duties and posted on the ballot in NJ names of the candidates simply based on their statement, that they are eligible. Aside from Mr. Obama, who absolutely arrogantly refuses to release his Vault (long version) birth certificate, most probably created upon the statement made by his grandparents; NJ ballot also featured another candidate, that admitted to being born in Nicaragua. The secretaries of States that took the oath of office to uphold the constitution, are outrageously trampling on it, aiding and abeting fraud, that is a felony and is punishable by jail term, this behavior is bordering on treason. I have written a draft of the letter(draft #3) to be sent from We the People foundation to each and every law enforcement agency in each and every state, to each Governor, each secretary of State, each elector, each Congressman, Each Senator, each judge. it is in the attachment,I need an o'k from Bob Schultz to send it to the officials, since Bob is the chair of the Foundation. We have seen, how the government completely abandoned it's duties of oversight in financial and mortgage sector and it costs us 700 billion dollars and probably more. The government agencies, entrusted to uphold the law and constitution have failed us in this arena too and it is time for us to stand up and demand action, demand stay of certification of election results until the eligibility is verified and all the proper documents are authenticated. We have to demand investigation by the Attorney generals, FBI, congress and senate. I cannot do this alone, but hopefully there are enough people that are willing to send these letters to all the proper agencies
Orly Taitz DDS Esq
26302 La Paz ste 211
Mission Viejo Ca 92691
29839 S. Margarita Pkwy
Rancho Santa Margarita Ca 92688
ph. w 949-586-8110 c-949-683-5411
fax 949-586-2082
Note: Here is the letter - written by Orly - which you can send to:
Attention: Governors of States, Secretaries of States, Attorney Generals, FBI, Homeland Security, State Department, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Elections Committee
This letter is to put you on notice in regards to the following troubling facts:
1) From August 21 until now some 17 legal actions were filed all over this nation: those were individual or class actions, in different State and Federal courts. The plaintiffs: US citizens, voters, electors, different Party officials and candidates for office are alleging that Mr. Obama's eligibility for Presidency was never verified by any governmental agency and mounting evidence suggests that he does not qualify as a Natural Born citizen and therefore cannot be swarn as the President of the United States. These actions were not heard on merits yet. The first action, filed by the former Deputy Attorney general of the State of Pennsylvania, Phillip J Berg against Mr. Obama and DNC, titled Berg v Obama el all is currently in the Supreme Court, awaiting resolution of question, whether a voter has standing to bring an issue of eligibility to court. Regards of the Court decision on this matter, other parties with superior standing have filed similar actions.
2) Numerous voters, concerned citizens have turned to the offices of the Secretaries of States and found out that none of the Secretaries of States verified Mr. Obama's eligibility. Routinely the Secretaries of States simply allowed Mr. Obama to sign a form, stating that he able to perform the function of the President.
3) Numerous voters, concerned citizens have contacted the Federal Elections Committee (FEC) and found out that FEC did not do any verification of Mr. Obama's eligibility either. FEC representatives have stated that they are dealing with financial aspects of the campaign, and even that was not done by the FEC, since for roughly half of the 650 million raised, there was no documentation, no names of the donors and there were numerous reports that there is a high probability that at least 65 million came from non US citizens.
4) There was no investigative reporting in the Press, since predominantly liberal media was pushing for Obama for president and was unwilling to investigate or report anything negative in regards to Mr. Obama.
5) Most of the States in the Union contains statues in the election codes, that characterize election fraud or aiding and abetting election fraud, as a felony, punishable by lengthy jail terms. For example, California election statue 18500 states: " Any person, who commits fraud and any person who aids and abets fraud or attempts to abet fraud, in connection with any vote cast, to be cast, I guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for 16 months or two years or three years"
6) We, the people, the citizens of this country demand that all of you do not aid or abet commission of fraud and investigate the following facts:
a. according to affidavits presented in the Berg v Obama (in the attachment to this letter) Sara Obama, Mr. Obama's paternal grandmother has repeatedly stated that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and she was present at the hospital, when he was born, which means that Mr. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen and qualified for Presidency.
b. Mr. Obama has responded by posting on his web site "Fight the Smears" a "short version" form of Certification of Live Birth', but categorically refused to provide a copy of a vault or (long version birth certificate), that would provide for a name of a hospital and a name and signature of the doctor. This is crucial, since the State of Hawaii allows children of residence of Hawaii to register in the state of Hawaii the birth of their children, born in another state or another country, such as Kenya. Please see in attachment a sample Certificate of Live Birth, Box 7C, Asks for the County or State or other country of birth. This document also has provisions for the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor. Additionally, Hawaii became a State in 1959, only two years before Mr. Obama's birth. At a time numerous residents of Hawaii did not have birth certificates, therefore the state of Hawaii allowed residents born from 1902 until 1971 to obtain a different document called Certification of Hawaiian birth, that could be obtained simply by the statement made by a relative without any corroborating evidence. Therefore the short version birth certificate, posted by Mr. Obama on his web site, could've been based on an affidavit made by his mother or one of his grandparents, that he was born in Hawaii, even if he actually was born in Kenya. This could've been done not because Mr. Obama's relatives thought that he would run for president, but simply to avoid the hustle and expense of going through some eight years of immigration procedures.
c. As of now no one was able to locate any hospital in Hawaii, any nurse, any doctor that would provide any evidence that he indeed was born on Hawaii.
d. Mr. Obam refused to provide any documents in berg v Obama case
e. Mr. Obama refused to consent to release of his vault or long version birth certificate.
f. Mr. Obama refused to consent to release of any records by any hospitals
g. Maternal grandmother remained silent and never refuted the statements that Mr. Obama was not born on /Hawaii and no access was ever allowed to any reporters to ask Mrs. Madelyne Dunham one single question: "in what hospital on Hawaii was Mr. Obama born?'
h. Even if Mr. Obama would've been born in Hawaii (all the evidence states otherwise), he would've lost his citizenship by virtue of moving to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and Ms. Ann Dunham- Obama-Soetoro had to relinquish her son's US citizenship in order to gain Indonesian citizenship.
i . In 1981, during the ban on travel to Pakistan for US citizens, Mr. Obama had travelled to Pakistan. The only reasonable explanation, is the did it using his Indonesian passport and using his prior name Barry Soetoro.
Based on all of the above Mr. Obama was never a Natural born citizen, that he would've lost it even if he had it by virtue of getting an Indonesian Citizenship and that he has divided allegiants and cannot become the President of the US. We demand that you investigate these acts and refrain from certifying the vote or signing the Certificate of Ascertainment (to be signed by the Governors and Secretaries of States before the December 15 vote by the electors.) We demand that proper investigation would be done and, if the above facts and allegations are found to be true and correct, Mr. Obama be de-certified of the ballot.
Click here for more updates on this program.
The whole point of the current constitutional crisis is in the fact that nobody checked the eligibility of the candidates. Please see Donofrio v Wells. This case is the second case in front of the Supreme court. Just like with any other state in the union, Nina Wells, Secretary of State of NJ completely abandoned her duties and posted on the ballot in NJ names of the candidates simply based on their statement, that they are eligible. Aside from Mr. Obama, who absolutely arrogantly refuses to release his Vault (long version) birth certificate, most probably created upon the statement made by his grandparents; NJ ballot also featured another candidate, that admitted to being born in Nicaragua. The secretaries of States that took the oath of office to uphold the constitution, are outrageously trampling on it, aiding and abeting fraud, that is a felony and is punishable by jail term, this behavior is bordering on treason. I have written a draft of the letter(draft #3) to be sent from We the People foundation to each and every law enforcement agency in each and every state, to each Governor, each secretary of State, each elector, each Congressman, Each Senator, each judge. it is in the attachment,I need an o'k from Bob Schultz to send it to the officials, since Bob is the chair of the Foundation. We have seen, how the government completely abandoned it's duties of oversight in financial and mortgage sector and it costs us 700 billion dollars and probably more. The government agencies, entrusted to uphold the law and constitution have failed us in this arena too and it is time for us to stand up and demand action, demand stay of certification of election results until the eligibility is verified and all the proper documents are authenticated. We have to demand investigation by the Attorney generals, FBI, congress and senate. I cannot do this alone, but hopefully there are enough people that are willing to send these letters to all the proper agencies
Orly Taitz DDS Esq
26302 La Paz ste 211
Mission Viejo Ca 92691
29839 S. Margarita Pkwy
Rancho Santa Margarita Ca 92688
ph. w 949-586-8110 c-949-683-5411
fax 949-586-2082
Note: Here is the letter - written by Orly - which you can send to:
Attention: Governors of States, Secretaries of States, Attorney Generals, FBI, Homeland Security, State Department, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Elections Committee
This letter is to put you on notice in regards to the following troubling facts:
1) From August 21 until now some 17 legal actions were filed all over this nation: those were individual or class actions, in different State and Federal courts. The plaintiffs: US citizens, voters, electors, different Party officials and candidates for office are alleging that Mr. Obama's eligibility for Presidency was never verified by any governmental agency and mounting evidence suggests that he does not qualify as a Natural Born citizen and therefore cannot be swarn as the President of the United States. These actions were not heard on merits yet. The first action, filed by the former Deputy Attorney general of the State of Pennsylvania, Phillip J Berg against Mr. Obama and DNC, titled Berg v Obama el all is currently in the Supreme Court, awaiting resolution of question, whether a voter has standing to bring an issue of eligibility to court. Regards of the Court decision on this matter, other parties with superior standing have filed similar actions.
2) Numerous voters, concerned citizens have turned to the offices of the Secretaries of States and found out that none of the Secretaries of States verified Mr. Obama's eligibility. Routinely the Secretaries of States simply allowed Mr. Obama to sign a form, stating that he able to perform the function of the President.
3) Numerous voters, concerned citizens have contacted the Federal Elections Committee (FEC) and found out that FEC did not do any verification of Mr. Obama's eligibility either. FEC representatives have stated that they are dealing with financial aspects of the campaign, and even that was not done by the FEC, since for roughly half of the 650 million raised, there was no documentation, no names of the donors and there were numerous reports that there is a high probability that at least 65 million came from non US citizens.
4) There was no investigative reporting in the Press, since predominantly liberal media was pushing for Obama for president and was unwilling to investigate or report anything negative in regards to Mr. Obama.
5) Most of the States in the Union contains statues in the election codes, that characterize election fraud or aiding and abetting election fraud, as a felony, punishable by lengthy jail terms. For example, California election statue 18500 states: " Any person, who commits fraud and any person who aids and abets fraud or attempts to abet fraud, in connection with any vote cast, to be cast, I guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for 16 months or two years or three years"
6) We, the people, the citizens of this country demand that all of you do not aid or abet commission of fraud and investigate the following facts:
a. according to affidavits presented in the Berg v Obama (in the attachment to this letter) Sara Obama, Mr. Obama's paternal grandmother has repeatedly stated that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and she was present at the hospital, when he was born, which means that Mr. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen and qualified for Presidency.
b. Mr. Obama has responded by posting on his web site "Fight the Smears" a "short version" form of Certification of Live Birth', but categorically refused to provide a copy of a vault or (long version birth certificate), that would provide for a name of a hospital and a name and signature of the doctor. This is crucial, since the State of Hawaii allows children of residence of Hawaii to register in the state of Hawaii the birth of their children, born in another state or another country, such as Kenya. Please see in attachment a sample Certificate of Live Birth, Box 7C, Asks for the County or State or other country of birth. This document also has provisions for the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor. Additionally, Hawaii became a State in 1959, only two years before Mr. Obama's birth. At a time numerous residents of Hawaii did not have birth certificates, therefore the state of Hawaii allowed residents born from 1902 until 1971 to obtain a different document called Certification of Hawaiian birth, that could be obtained simply by the statement made by a relative without any corroborating evidence. Therefore the short version birth certificate, posted by Mr. Obama on his web site, could've been based on an affidavit made by his mother or one of his grandparents, that he was born in Hawaii, even if he actually was born in Kenya. This could've been done not because Mr. Obama's relatives thought that he would run for president, but simply to avoid the hustle and expense of going through some eight years of immigration procedures.
c. As of now no one was able to locate any hospital in Hawaii, any nurse, any doctor that would provide any evidence that he indeed was born on Hawaii.
d. Mr. Obam refused to provide any documents in berg v Obama case
e. Mr. Obama refused to consent to release of his vault or long version birth certificate.
f. Mr. Obama refused to consent to release of any records by any hospitals
g. Maternal grandmother remained silent and never refuted the statements that Mr. Obama was not born on /Hawaii and no access was ever allowed to any reporters to ask Mrs. Madelyne Dunham one single question: "in what hospital on Hawaii was Mr. Obama born?'
h. Even if Mr. Obama would've been born in Hawaii (all the evidence states otherwise), he would've lost his citizenship by virtue of moving to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and Ms. Ann Dunham- Obama-Soetoro had to relinquish her son's US citizenship in order to gain Indonesian citizenship.
i . In 1981, during the ban on travel to Pakistan for US citizens, Mr. Obama had travelled to Pakistan. The only reasonable explanation, is the did it using his Indonesian passport and using his prior name Barry Soetoro.
Based on all of the above Mr. Obama was never a Natural born citizen, that he would've lost it even if he had it by virtue of getting an Indonesian Citizenship and that he has divided allegiants and cannot become the President of the US. We demand that you investigate these acts and refrain from certifying the vote or signing the Certificate of Ascertainment (to be signed by the Governors and Secretaries of States before the December 15 vote by the electors.) We demand that proper investigation would be done and, if the above facts and allegations are found to be true and correct, Mr. Obama be de-certified of the ballot.
Click here for more updates on this program.
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
DRAFT LETTER: Call for Pro Bono Lawyers to Assist Electors
DRAFT LETTER EXAMPLE (PLEASE USE!!)
Call for Pro Bono Lawyers to Assist Electors
Date
Dear _____,
We are writing you to seek your help in what we regard as an important Constitutional issue: the legality of Senator Obama’s right to occupy the Presidency.
You are undoubtedly aware of the several Court skirmishes making their way through a dozen of our state Courts with one (from PA) currently being pursued up to the Supreme Court and for which a decision to hear it is to be made in several weeks. You may or may not have already formed an opinion on this matter. We represent an ad hoc group of Americans who have studied the issue in some detail and are convinced it is appropriate to pursue this matter further in order to support our Constitution, which appears to us as being seriously undercut on this issue and highly worthy of citizen support.
Here are a few brief factors relating to why we have come to this conclusion:
· In at least 3 Court Rulings to date, no substantive resolution concerning Senator Obama’s Presidential eligibility has been forthcoming. Despite misleading media/public statements to the contrary, adverse Court decisions ( including Judge Erlick’s, here in Washington State) have been based on non-substantive technicalities.
· In several Court suits, the Petition to the Court simply requested the Court to help make public Senator Obama’s legitimate birth papers. Nothing more. There was no need for a finding of guilt, merely a presentation of persuasive evidence.
· In PA, Judge Surrick ruled that the Plaintiff, an attorney and past Deputy Atty. General of that State had “no standing”, as merely a public citizen, to challenge this apparent violation of the Constitution. This strikes many laymen/citizens as an affront to our understanding of the roles and relationship between the People and their Government.
· Many researchers have pointed out the fallacy of the documentation proffered by Senator Obama, concerning “proof” of birth in Honolulu. However, there are several fundamental flaws with this so-called evidence, which we’d be happy to review in further detail, at your convenience.
· Moreover, we feel a very broad Constitutional issue is at stake and merits the effort of a strong defense of our foundational governance document.
In a post-election effort to strengthen our case, based on prior Court rulings, we are undertaking an effort to assemble a team of successful Electors who will stand behind this case to enhance its legal standing in Court. We are similarly undertaking to beef up our legal support. Our ad hoc Group is largely composed of non-attorneys and we suffer a disadvantage in our unskilled legal maneuverings in the judicial System. Accordingly we’re seeking your help and guidance. We have folks who will gladly help in compiling some of the facts, legal histories and administrative matters. So the effort you can supply could range from simple “guidance & consulting” all the way up to “total legal responsibility” for one of the several cases that we hope to launch across a spectrum of States. Of course, in the specific circumstances of Senator Obama, time is of the essence.
If you feel that Justice is receiving short shrift here and you would be willing to invest some time in behalf of this cause, please take a moment to contact any of those below, so we might further discuss a mutually beneficial alliance of some sort.
Very Sincerely,
---------------------------------
SIGNER
Call for Pro Bono Lawyers to Assist Electors
Date
Dear _____,
We are writing you to seek your help in what we regard as an important Constitutional issue: the legality of Senator Obama’s right to occupy the Presidency.
You are undoubtedly aware of the several Court skirmishes making their way through a dozen of our state Courts with one (from PA) currently being pursued up to the Supreme Court and for which a decision to hear it is to be made in several weeks. You may or may not have already formed an opinion on this matter. We represent an ad hoc group of Americans who have studied the issue in some detail and are convinced it is appropriate to pursue this matter further in order to support our Constitution, which appears to us as being seriously undercut on this issue and highly worthy of citizen support.
Here are a few brief factors relating to why we have come to this conclusion:
· In at least 3 Court Rulings to date, no substantive resolution concerning Senator Obama’s Presidential eligibility has been forthcoming. Despite misleading media/public statements to the contrary, adverse Court decisions ( including Judge Erlick’s, here in Washington State) have been based on non-substantive technicalities.
· In several Court suits, the Petition to the Court simply requested the Court to help make public Senator Obama’s legitimate birth papers. Nothing more. There was no need for a finding of guilt, merely a presentation of persuasive evidence.
· In PA, Judge Surrick ruled that the Plaintiff, an attorney and past Deputy Atty. General of that State had “no standing”, as merely a public citizen, to challenge this apparent violation of the Constitution. This strikes many laymen/citizens as an affront to our understanding of the roles and relationship between the People and their Government.
· Many researchers have pointed out the fallacy of the documentation proffered by Senator Obama, concerning “proof” of birth in Honolulu. However, there are several fundamental flaws with this so-called evidence, which we’d be happy to review in further detail, at your convenience.
· Moreover, we feel a very broad Constitutional issue is at stake and merits the effort of a strong defense of our foundational governance document.
In a post-election effort to strengthen our case, based on prior Court rulings, we are undertaking an effort to assemble a team of successful Electors who will stand behind this case to enhance its legal standing in Court. We are similarly undertaking to beef up our legal support. Our ad hoc Group is largely composed of non-attorneys and we suffer a disadvantage in our unskilled legal maneuverings in the judicial System. Accordingly we’re seeking your help and guidance. We have folks who will gladly help in compiling some of the facts, legal histories and administrative matters. So the effort you can supply could range from simple “guidance & consulting” all the way up to “total legal responsibility” for one of the several cases that we hope to launch across a spectrum of States. Of course, in the specific circumstances of Senator Obama, time is of the essence.
If you feel that Justice is receiving short shrift here and you would be willing to invest some time in behalf of this cause, please take a moment to contact any of those below, so we might further discuss a mutually beneficial alliance of some sort.
Very Sincerely,
---------------------------------
SIGNER
Monday, November 10, 2008
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL: A POSSIBLE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS !
by Robert Quinn
posted November 9, 2009
Approximately 230 years ago the Revolutionary War began. When it ended, the United States of America was born. Liberty was proclaimed and laws were enacted under The Constitution of the United States. Today, that Constitutional liberty is sorely threatened because one aspirant for the office of President of the United States, Senator Barack Obama, remains silent while being challlenged, through an increasing number of lawsuits in various states, to confirm that he is, in fact, a natural-born citizen of the United States of America and eligible to seek the office of President. He has stone-walled all efforts to authenticate his proof of citizenship. If any readers of this letter are unaware of this legal crisis it is because the major media outlets make no mention of possible legal restrictions which could bar the Senator from seeking this office. In fact, on Oct.25, I wrote to Bill O'Reilly of Fox News in New York about the media silence ( incl.Fox) and, with tongue in cheek, asked if we would only be made aware of the lawsuits after judges had ruled on them.
Ironically, a few days before, a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by the former Ass't Attorney General of Philadelphia, Pa., Mr.Philip Berg, by declaring that Mr.Berg did not prove that he would suffer harm to himself if Senator Obama was declared eligible to run for President. The next day, Newsday,Long Island,New York's major newspaper, mentioned this case for the first time by simply mentioning the Dismissal of the lawsuit. Mr. Berg is now taking this issue directly and immediately to the U.S.Supreme Court. I wonder if a class-action suit is in the works.
The most compelling issue in this case was the request for a valid copy of Senator Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate (not the differing "Cert.of Live Birth"), since claims were made that he was actually born in Mombasa,Kenya. Ominously, the Government of Kenya recently said that they will not release any documents pertaining to the Senator until the U.S. elections are over. Mr.Berg, in his lawsuit, also requested that a "certificate of USA citizenship" be produced, since Senator Obama was believed to have been a citizen of Indonesia for some time, under the name of Barry Soetoro.
Consider-a simple request to produce two valid documents, which Mr.Berg stated in his lawsuit would be sufficient for withdrawing the lawsuit. Now, three months later, the Senator still refuses to provide these documents for examination by Federal or State authorities....or anyone else ! Would an average citizen act in such a manner ? For that matter, should anyone seeking the highest office in the Land act this way ? On the contrary, and, in fact, I know of eight instances where average citizens have now instituted lawsuits to force their respective States to insist that Senator Obama either provide a valid birth certificate or see his name removed from the election ballots of those States.
I would also like to mention an "above average" citizen, Senator John McCain, who has served his Country bravely and faithfully since he was seventeen years of age. His valid citizenship, since he was born in the Canal Zone, has been confirmed by the U.S.Senate. He could, and would immediately produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, if requested. The only time that he couldn't comply with such a request was the five and one-half years he was "tied up" in Vietnam on Government business. In contrast, Senator Obama could easily obtain any existing valid birth certificate within forty-eight hours from Hawaiian authorities. Fast forward-eight lawsuits and one petition to the Supreme Court later and he still won't answer the three-am phonecall !
WHO IS THIS MAN?
The more we seek to learn about Senator Obama, the more concerned about him we become. Asking for transparency, we are repaid with more secrecy. Here are some of the records which, it has been reported, he refuses to release:
Occidental College records
Columbia College records
Harvard College records
Selective Service Registration
Medical records
Illinois State Senate records
Cert.copy of Original Birth Certificate
Embossed signed paper Cert.of Live Birth
With all this secrecy, he expects us to accept his birth record as legitimate, solely on his word ! I've gone that route before but it was for Someone born in a manger over 2,000 years ago, in a little town called Bethlehem.
ARE MY WRITTEN INTENTIONS WORTHY?
As I've said in previous letters, I am morally driven, not racially, to engage in this issue. All humanity is entitled to a "redress of grievances." Sadly, however, on the issue of life those in the womb are being excluded from this "right" by many, and a President Obama would swell the casualty list enormously ! He said that, as President, he would allow abortions to be performed throughtout the entire nine months of a pregnancy and would even take this position to the ultimate end: if any child survived an abortion attempt and lived to exit it's mother's womb the Obama Party would allow the child to die, if the mother so wished !
We keep hearing the "antiseptic" phrase "fewer and safer abortions", while closing in on 50,000,000 (that's millions). I have two questions: First, how can permitting more abortions result in fewer abortions. Am I doing the math wrong. Secondly, a "safe" abortion, to be honest, means only one person will exit the hospital alive. Why not re-term it a "half-safe" abortion ? For that matter, drawing from the world of credit cards I would offer an added definition of abortion-IDENTITY THEFT !
To my fellow Catholics, and all others who honestly believe their genuine concerns about financial conditions, war, the environment, etc. equate with abortion I offer a simple reflection for them. Imagine Senator Obama,(who has promised to make abortion the "Law of the Land", from shore to shore), at a rally and being asked by one of his many cheering fans to describe what actually happens to a child during an abortion "procedure". I guarantee that if he dared to answer the request truthfully, the cheers he had been hearing would become tears and sobs would soon echo throughout an empty stadium.
In conclusion, may I point out that, as with my recent letters, I did not speak of issues such as taxes, health insurance,etc., because I was not stepping into the political arena. Senator Obama, however, plunged into the arena of morality and his defenseless targets, the unborn, need our voices before their's are silenced forever.
I am not voting for a political party but for someone who will insure that the unborn's date of birth doesn't immediately become their date of death ! I pray that all those receiving this letter join with me on Nov.4 "pulling" for life-literally.
"Before I formed thee in the womb of thy mother, I knew thee." (Jeremias 1:5)
With prayerful hope and trust,
Robert Quinn
69-11 67th Place,Glendale,New York 11385
tel:718-497-6464
PS;Mr.Philip Berg has steadfastly, at his own expense, pursued this lawsuit right up to the U.S.Supreme Court. If anyone would like to help him financially he would be most appreciative. His address is:
Philip J.Berg,Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill,Pa. 19444-2531
Tel:610-825-3134
E-Mail:philjberg@gmail.com
posted November 9, 2009
Approximately 230 years ago the Revolutionary War began. When it ended, the United States of America was born. Liberty was proclaimed and laws were enacted under The Constitution of the United States. Today, that Constitutional liberty is sorely threatened because one aspirant for the office of President of the United States, Senator Barack Obama, remains silent while being challlenged, through an increasing number of lawsuits in various states, to confirm that he is, in fact, a natural-born citizen of the United States of America and eligible to seek the office of President. He has stone-walled all efforts to authenticate his proof of citizenship. If any readers of this letter are unaware of this legal crisis it is because the major media outlets make no mention of possible legal restrictions which could bar the Senator from seeking this office. In fact, on Oct.25, I wrote to Bill O'Reilly of Fox News in New York about the media silence ( incl.Fox) and, with tongue in cheek, asked if we would only be made aware of the lawsuits after judges had ruled on them.
Ironically, a few days before, a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by the former Ass't Attorney General of Philadelphia, Pa., Mr.Philip Berg, by declaring that Mr.Berg did not prove that he would suffer harm to himself if Senator Obama was declared eligible to run for President. The next day, Newsday,Long Island,New York's major newspaper, mentioned this case for the first time by simply mentioning the Dismissal of the lawsuit. Mr. Berg is now taking this issue directly and immediately to the U.S.Supreme Court. I wonder if a class-action suit is in the works.
The most compelling issue in this case was the request for a valid copy of Senator Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate (not the differing "Cert.of Live Birth"), since claims were made that he was actually born in Mombasa,Kenya. Ominously, the Government of Kenya recently said that they will not release any documents pertaining to the Senator until the U.S. elections are over. Mr.Berg, in his lawsuit, also requested that a "certificate of USA citizenship" be produced, since Senator Obama was believed to have been a citizen of Indonesia for some time, under the name of Barry Soetoro.
Consider-a simple request to produce two valid documents, which Mr.Berg stated in his lawsuit would be sufficient for withdrawing the lawsuit. Now, three months later, the Senator still refuses to provide these documents for examination by Federal or State authorities....or anyone else ! Would an average citizen act in such a manner ? For that matter, should anyone seeking the highest office in the Land act this way ? On the contrary, and, in fact, I know of eight instances where average citizens have now instituted lawsuits to force their respective States to insist that Senator Obama either provide a valid birth certificate or see his name removed from the election ballots of those States.
I would also like to mention an "above average" citizen, Senator John McCain, who has served his Country bravely and faithfully since he was seventeen years of age. His valid citizenship, since he was born in the Canal Zone, has been confirmed by the U.S.Senate. He could, and would immediately produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, if requested. The only time that he couldn't comply with such a request was the five and one-half years he was "tied up" in Vietnam on Government business. In contrast, Senator Obama could easily obtain any existing valid birth certificate within forty-eight hours from Hawaiian authorities. Fast forward-eight lawsuits and one petition to the Supreme Court later and he still won't answer the three-am phonecall !
WHO IS THIS MAN?
The more we seek to learn about Senator Obama, the more concerned about him we become. Asking for transparency, we are repaid with more secrecy. Here are some of the records which, it has been reported, he refuses to release:
Occidental College records
Columbia College records
Harvard College records
Selective Service Registration
Medical records
Illinois State Senate records
Cert.copy of Original Birth Certificate
Embossed signed paper Cert.of Live Birth
With all this secrecy, he expects us to accept his birth record as legitimate, solely on his word ! I've gone that route before but it was for Someone born in a manger over 2,000 years ago, in a little town called Bethlehem.
ARE MY WRITTEN INTENTIONS WORTHY?
As I've said in previous letters, I am morally driven, not racially, to engage in this issue. All humanity is entitled to a "redress of grievances." Sadly, however, on the issue of life those in the womb are being excluded from this "right" by many, and a President Obama would swell the casualty list enormously ! He said that, as President, he would allow abortions to be performed throughtout the entire nine months of a pregnancy and would even take this position to the ultimate end: if any child survived an abortion attempt and lived to exit it's mother's womb the Obama Party would allow the child to die, if the mother so wished !
We keep hearing the "antiseptic" phrase "fewer and safer abortions", while closing in on 50,000,000 (that's millions). I have two questions: First, how can permitting more abortions result in fewer abortions. Am I doing the math wrong. Secondly, a "safe" abortion, to be honest, means only one person will exit the hospital alive. Why not re-term it a "half-safe" abortion ? For that matter, drawing from the world of credit cards I would offer an added definition of abortion-IDENTITY THEFT !
To my fellow Catholics, and all others who honestly believe their genuine concerns about financial conditions, war, the environment, etc. equate with abortion I offer a simple reflection for them. Imagine Senator Obama,(who has promised to make abortion the "Law of the Land", from shore to shore), at a rally and being asked by one of his many cheering fans to describe what actually happens to a child during an abortion "procedure". I guarantee that if he dared to answer the request truthfully, the cheers he had been hearing would become tears and sobs would soon echo throughout an empty stadium.
In conclusion, may I point out that, as with my recent letters, I did not speak of issues such as taxes, health insurance,etc., because I was not stepping into the political arena. Senator Obama, however, plunged into the arena of morality and his defenseless targets, the unborn, need our voices before their's are silenced forever.
I am not voting for a political party but for someone who will insure that the unborn's date of birth doesn't immediately become their date of death ! I pray that all those receiving this letter join with me on Nov.4 "pulling" for life-literally.
"Before I formed thee in the womb of thy mother, I knew thee." (Jeremias 1:5)
With prayerful hope and trust,
Robert Quinn
69-11 67th Place,Glendale,New York 11385
tel:718-497-6464
PS;Mr.Philip Berg has steadfastly, at his own expense, pursued this lawsuit right up to the U.S.Supreme Court. If anyone would like to help him financially he would be most appreciative. His address is:
Philip J.Berg,Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill,Pa. 19444-2531
Tel:610-825-3134
E-Mail:philjberg@gmail.com
Sunday, November 9, 2008
Time to stop "electors" from picking a person who is not qualified to be chosen.
Lindsey Springer here and I thought I would show an example of how power slowly boils all to accepting dinner is being served and they are the main course. Here is the front page of a news paper in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
WASHINGTON — With only two terms in the U.S. House behind him, Oklahoma Democrat Dan Boren is making preparations to help the new Obama administration fill key federal positions across the state.
The 10th Amendment says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Do you see what is wrong with this sentence in the News Paper? There are no "federal positions across the state." There are no federal positions "in the State" either. The 10th Amendment forbids such and those seeking these "positions" are bound by the 10th Amendment. If you do not know the difference between the United States and the States, as written in the 10th Amendment, then you have not a single reserved constitutional right. You have removed the word "people" and "State" from the 10th Amendment. If you remove the "people" and the "States" then who in the 10th Amendment, with a name, is left remaining? Yep, the United States. You only have what the United States is allowing you to have. Read the sentence in the News Paper and the 10th Amendment over and over again until you get it.
If any of you would be interested in bringing a civil action in your State regarding the selection and election of a President of the United States of America, please let me know. I believe no less than 50 complaints will do the 10th Amendment justice. Only "electors" actually vote for President and they do that by with slate of persons. In most States, the "electors" are chosen by a popular vote by placing the name of a hopeful from one party or the other on the State election ballot. This ballot should not be confused with the elector ballot. Each hopeful has a list of names he selects to be his "electors" in the event he wins a State popular vote election. Those electors are the true voters in the election and they can be stopped if you decide to stop them in your State. You do not need to overturn the general election but rather only the electors vote and its certification. Let me know. It is time the "people" take control from the licenced attorneys and I cannot think of a better way than to force those attorneys, in each of the 50 States, to come into Court and argue Article II of the Constitution of the United States means nothing. That argument alone will cause ethics complaints against them in effor to revoke their license. Electors will meet in the respective States and vote by ballot. True the Constitution was amended on this subject but hot as to how the President is actually elected. What happened on November 4, 2008, means nothing in the election of a President. It is what happens after that polling that really matters.
I personally have not bias against Obama or McCain, but my bias is whether the person being chosen by "electors" fits the job qualifications all States entered into an agreement to accept in the office of President. These qualifications are not assumed present unless proven not present. It is the other way around. It is assumed you are not qualified unless you prove your existence meets the list in Article II.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
The "Citizen of the United States" part only applied to those who, at the time of the Constitution, were not born here, but were domiciled in one of the States. Since no person lives past 120 years, 1789's Citizen of the United States no longer has any meaning. The only current option is "Natural Born."
Per the 12th Amendment:
Amendment 12 - Choosing the President, Vice-President. Ratified 6/15/1804. Note History The Electoral College
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
If you wish to stop the attorneys Unconstitutional Attack on your 50 States agreement called the Constitution of the United States, something they had to sware to uphold to even get their license, then join me in letting all political parties, and those attorneys who lied when they took their oath, by taking back each State, and the White House, and Congress.
We will have to work quickly and that can happen. If there is enough people in each State who are willing to stand up for their rights under Article II, as reserved by the 10th Amendment, you will be living back in your State again and showing the rest of the world the truest duty the word "people" have. If you think you are going to do this in your State by yourself you are wrong. If enough interest I will form a meeting to discuss how to implement this strategy.
Thank you for your interest.
11.9.08
Note: Lindsey can be reached at lindsey@mindspring.com
Electors: Is an Electoral College or Court Challenge against Mr. Obama Justified?
This issue has only intensified because Mr. Obama will not allow anyone access to certified copies of his records. He has perpetuated this crisis and you as an Elector can demand that he clear it up before your independent vote is cast.
1) 20th Amendment identifies the Electoral College as the place & time to challenge a candidates credentials (age and citizenship).
2) Despite much public demand, Mr. Obama has not provided access to a classic birth Certificate that proves the actual place of birth (Web site “short form” version simply does not address this question – He must deliver the certified long form – (See the critical difference for yourself below)
3) Electors have a right to request credentials of a candidate in Court and also before the Electoral College with Congress as adjudicators.
4) Electors have a duty to the country over any pledge to the party to vote their conscience. Voter intimidation by the party is illegal. If you could not act independent then your “vote” would be just a sham rubber stamp. You must be certain without a doubt that the candidate meets the Natural born and age requirements.
The founding Fathers placed in the constitution restrictions on who could be the President and Commander in Chief. It was deemed wise to restrict that post to individuals natural born and without dual citizenships. The 20th amendment identified the time prior to inauguration for challenges to be made to the qualifications of Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates.
In this missive, a clear unimpeachable argument is made that Barak Obama has yet to provide support for the proposition that he meets that constitutional bar and that as gatekeepers of the constitution, the Electors from each state have a moral and constitutional obligation to review this matter, obtain the evidence that would remove all doubt one way or the another and then and only then cast their Electoral Ballot for president.
Despite any pressure from your party officials to bundle your vote and cast en-mass, you have the right to know, and the right to cast that ballot as your conscience and the constitution demands. Country loyalty demands that this constitutional obligation take precedence over party loyally and party rules.
As it stands, no one, not even non-citizens are bared from the ballot. The Socialist Workers Party VP candidate Roger Calaro, for example, is a Nicaraguan having but a green card yet his name appears on many states ballots. This fact astounds most people. It turns out that no government agency is currently tasked with preventing such fraud or even identifying that fact to the unsuspecting voters; no, not the Secretaries of State nor the Federal Elections Commission FEC. The gatekeepers of the constitution are the voters and then the Electors as they weigh in at the Electoral College. Only Electors and candidates themselves can bring forward challenges and those challenges can be judged by the Courts or if brought up in the Electoral College, then Congress is the final judge, similar to an impeachment trial.
If you agree that you want to know – really know for sure before you cast your Electoral Vote, then join your name to a growing list of Electoral College Electors who will be represented in a suit filed with the Supreme Court and also with the Electoral College itself. You deserve to personally see the cards that Obama has to date held very close to his vest.
No reasonable man or woman can understand this challenge without acknowledging that reasonable even significant doubt exits. Here is the evidence to this qualification problem in a nutshell. Additional reading is contained in links.
The document on the left is what Mr. Obama displayed on a web site. It is a computer database printout which has none of the detail required to answer the question of actual place of birth. He displayed the kind of document Hawaiian residents can get for their foreign born children.
Click image to enlarge
Really, it’s that simple. Demand to see the good stuff, the real birth certificate or at least the documentation behind that nearly worthless Certification document. While some have argued about the web document’s authenticity, that question really is mute. Real or not it does not answer the question. That’s it! This is not rocket science and you do not need to be the forensic expert to see the problem.
Obama has not yet properly disclosed the one document that would remove all doubt, and properly vet him for the position he has pursued. He simply, has not yet done this.
You, however, are some of the few people on the planet that actually has the right, the power and the leverage to demand the answer. Join the growing list of Electors who will demand this question be answered before the college meets in December.
Is his birth location important though? Wasn’t at least his mother a US Citizen?
In 1961, as opposed to TODAY, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (INA) required the following: A child being born to one alien parent (i.e.. Non Citizen) and one citizen parent in a marital relationship, required that the sole US citizen parent to have resided in the United States for a period of ten years, five of which must have been over the age of 14. Today's version of the law has somewhat different residency requirements for the US citizen parent. But the law, as it applied on August 4, 1961, required ten years presence, five after the age of 14.
At the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth on August 4, 1961, Ms. Dunham was 18 years old, having been born in November of 1942. As such, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW (that pesky and inconvenient thing that oftentimes gets in the way of "change") demanded.
It's that simple. If he was born in Kenya, then he is not, nor can never be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America inasmuch as he does not, nor never can, fulfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V of the Constitution of the United States. It's not an optional thing, regardless of whether or not someone thinks it's fair or not. It's the law, that pesky, recurring inconvenience that seems to get in the way, time and time again.
Now, the question remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not. The State of Hawaii has weighed in and states that there is a record of Mr. Obama's birth on file in the Department of Vital Statistics. However, THAT is not enough. Since there are two distinct birth documents issued by the State of Hawaii – which one do they have? They gave less detail than what the published document details.
Look. The facts and the law, are just that, the facts and the law. Wishing it wasn't so, being upset that the law is the way it was in 1961, wishing that people wouldn't bring that pesky inconvenient issue of the law, won't change a thing. Mr. Obama, like it or not, whether you think it's fair or not, if born outside the US, is NOT, nor never can be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.
What is troubling and frustrating is that Obama can, and has had the ability to do so for quite some time, resolve this matter by simply providing a certified copy of his authentic birth document. The only reason that is reasonable for his failure to do so is that he simply doesn't have a document that shows he was born in the US.
You as electors have the right and the obligation to the country to join hands and ask that this matter be put to rest that you can, in good conscience, vote uninhibited for the qualified candidate of your choice. Without your effort, this cloud of illegitimacy will hang unabated over the presidency. Join with us in demanding the answers. It is after all a simple question. We all deserve a simple answer.
1) 20th Amendment identifies the Electoral College as the place & time to challenge a candidates credentials (age and citizenship).
2) Despite much public demand, Mr. Obama has not provided access to a classic birth Certificate that proves the actual place of birth (Web site “short form” version simply does not address this question – He must deliver the certified long form – (See the critical difference for yourself below)
3) Electors have a right to request credentials of a candidate in Court and also before the Electoral College with Congress as adjudicators.
4) Electors have a duty to the country over any pledge to the party to vote their conscience. Voter intimidation by the party is illegal. If you could not act independent then your “vote” would be just a sham rubber stamp. You must be certain without a doubt that the candidate meets the Natural born and age requirements.
The founding Fathers placed in the constitution restrictions on who could be the President and Commander in Chief. It was deemed wise to restrict that post to individuals natural born and without dual citizenships. The 20th amendment identified the time prior to inauguration for challenges to be made to the qualifications of Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates.
In this missive, a clear unimpeachable argument is made that Barak Obama has yet to provide support for the proposition that he meets that constitutional bar and that as gatekeepers of the constitution, the Electors from each state have a moral and constitutional obligation to review this matter, obtain the evidence that would remove all doubt one way or the another and then and only then cast their Electoral Ballot for president.
Despite any pressure from your party officials to bundle your vote and cast en-mass, you have the right to know, and the right to cast that ballot as your conscience and the constitution demands. Country loyalty demands that this constitutional obligation take precedence over party loyally and party rules.
As it stands, no one, not even non-citizens are bared from the ballot. The Socialist Workers Party VP candidate Roger Calaro, for example, is a Nicaraguan having but a green card yet his name appears on many states ballots. This fact astounds most people. It turns out that no government agency is currently tasked with preventing such fraud or even identifying that fact to the unsuspecting voters; no, not the Secretaries of State nor the Federal Elections Commission FEC. The gatekeepers of the constitution are the voters and then the Electors as they weigh in at the Electoral College. Only Electors and candidates themselves can bring forward challenges and those challenges can be judged by the Courts or if brought up in the Electoral College, then Congress is the final judge, similar to an impeachment trial.
If you agree that you want to know – really know for sure before you cast your Electoral Vote, then join your name to a growing list of Electoral College Electors who will be represented in a suit filed with the Supreme Court and also with the Electoral College itself. You deserve to personally see the cards that Obama has to date held very close to his vest.
No reasonable man or woman can understand this challenge without acknowledging that reasonable even significant doubt exits. Here is the evidence to this qualification problem in a nutshell. Additional reading is contained in links.
The document on the left is what Mr. Obama displayed on a web site. It is a computer database printout which has none of the detail required to answer the question of actual place of birth. He displayed the kind of document Hawaiian residents can get for their foreign born children.
Click image to enlarge
Really, it’s that simple. Demand to see the good stuff, the real birth certificate or at least the documentation behind that nearly worthless Certification document. While some have argued about the web document’s authenticity, that question really is mute. Real or not it does not answer the question. That’s it! This is not rocket science and you do not need to be the forensic expert to see the problem.
Obama has not yet properly disclosed the one document that would remove all doubt, and properly vet him for the position he has pursued. He simply, has not yet done this.
You, however, are some of the few people on the planet that actually has the right, the power and the leverage to demand the answer. Join the growing list of Electors who will demand this question be answered before the college meets in December.
Is his birth location important though? Wasn’t at least his mother a US Citizen?
In 1961, as opposed to TODAY, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (INA) required the following: A child being born to one alien parent (i.e.. Non Citizen) and one citizen parent in a marital relationship, required that the sole US citizen parent to have resided in the United States for a period of ten years, five of which must have been over the age of 14. Today's version of the law has somewhat different residency requirements for the US citizen parent. But the law, as it applied on August 4, 1961, required ten years presence, five after the age of 14.
At the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth on August 4, 1961, Ms. Dunham was 18 years old, having been born in November of 1942. As such, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW (that pesky and inconvenient thing that oftentimes gets in the way of "change") demanded.
It's that simple. If he was born in Kenya, then he is not, nor can never be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America inasmuch as he does not, nor never can, fulfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V of the Constitution of the United States. It's not an optional thing, regardless of whether or not someone thinks it's fair or not. It's the law, that pesky, recurring inconvenience that seems to get in the way, time and time again.
Now, the question remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not. The State of Hawaii has weighed in and states that there is a record of Mr. Obama's birth on file in the Department of Vital Statistics. However, THAT is not enough. Since there are two distinct birth documents issued by the State of Hawaii – which one do they have? They gave less detail than what the published document details.
Look. The facts and the law, are just that, the facts and the law. Wishing it wasn't so, being upset that the law is the way it was in 1961, wishing that people wouldn't bring that pesky inconvenient issue of the law, won't change a thing. Mr. Obama, like it or not, whether you think it's fair or not, if born outside the US, is NOT, nor never can be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.
What is troubling and frustrating is that Obama can, and has had the ability to do so for quite some time, resolve this matter by simply providing a certified copy of his authentic birth document. The only reason that is reasonable for his failure to do so is that he simply doesn't have a document that shows he was born in the US.
You as electors have the right and the obligation to the country to join hands and ask that this matter be put to rest that you can, in good conscience, vote uninhibited for the qualified candidate of your choice. Without your effort, this cloud of illegitimacy will hang unabated over the presidency. Join with us in demanding the answers. It is after all a simple question. We all deserve a simple answer.
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